Marketing your photography business doesn’t have to mean another hour glued to Instagram. This week, Marcus and Sam step away from the algorithms to talk through offline marketing for photographers. This kind happens on dog walks, in coloured envelopes, and at the sort of business expo where someone’s filling a jar with business cards for a chance to win a bottle of champagne.
They work through the unglamorous middle ground between online ads and pure networking: physical adverts in the right (and very specific) local publications, why a splash of colour and a small sweet treat might be the most memorable thing to land on someone’s desk, and how one photographer turned business directories into a genuinely useful mailing list.
There’s also a look at events of every size, from market stalls to full business expos, including a neat workaround for photographers who’d rather not work a stand on their own all day. And if you’ve ever wondered how a brand photographer can turn a local accountant into a steady stream of referrals, or how a single workshop landed Marcus a room full of new enquiries, this episode gets into exactly how that played out.
Got your own offline marketing wins — or disasters? Get in touch via the website, drop a comment on Spotify or Apple, or send an email. Marcus and Sam would love to hear from you and might cover it on a future episode.
00:03.67
Marcus Ahmad
Well, hello, everybody. And in particular, hello, Sam.
00:07.37
Sam Hollis
Hello, Marcus. How’s everything with you?
00:09.83
Marcus Ahmad
Things are good, mate. Things are good. Thank you.
00:11.85
Sam Hollis
Excellent. um So I was thinking about what we’re going to talk about this week, and I’ve realised we talk a lot about all sorts of online marketing things, but actually what we don’t talk about as much is offline marketing. What are those things we can do away from the screen, away from the digital sphere for marketing our photography business?
00:27.86
Marcus Ahmad
I love that. I think we all need to get out there and start doing a bit of offline marketing. I think it sounds it’s a really good way to go. Let’s hear all about it, Sam.
00:35.42
Sam Hollis
Excellent. So I’m going to talk about a few different ideas. So we’re going to kind of briefly cover a lot. If people are interested in us covering some of the mid more detail in the future, get in touch, drop us an email, go to the website, ah drop a comment on Spotify, Apple, whatever.
00:40.25
Marcus Ahmad
Okay.
00:48.30
Sam Hollis
Love to hear your thoughts and comments. So the first one I’m going to talk about actually briefly because this is probably the one we’ve talked about most on the show in terms of offline networking, which is networking.
00:59.83
Sam Hollis
Networking events, obviously, there are online versions, there’s offline versions, so I’m not really going to say much here because we’ve talked them a lot about shows, we’ve got a lot of our shows about networking, I’ve actually got a guy who runs a networking event coming as a guest on the show in a few weeks. So we’re going to be coming even more. So that’s going to, I’m just mentioning it in passing, but we’ve got so much else on the show. I’m not going to talk about that at all beyond.
01:22.32
Sam Hollis
It’s one of the things you can do offline.
01:22.36
Marcus Ahmad
Okay.
01:24.08
Sam Hollis
um
01:24.54
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. so um um um um I do like networking, Sam. I know we’ve we’re both dog owners.
01:29.78
Sam Hollis
No, I’ve seen some of those. I think giving those a try could be good.
01:31.54
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
01:32.74
Sam Hollis
Yeah, that sounds, a lot they sound good.
01:33.69
Marcus Ahmad
Oh, they’re excellent. i I love doing them. I love that. I think it’s a great great way of talking to people in the open air. And you’ve so much to talk about besides business. It’s lovely.
01:41.78
Sam Hollis
ah It’s less forced as well, isn’t it Because you naturally do that on walk.
01:43.96
Marcus Ahmad
Less forced.
01:44.86
Sam Hollis
While it is, the network event is great, but it does all feel you’re slightly like trying to balance a cup of tea and underna and a business card. And it’s so it’s a little bit, you know, it’s less stressful, isn’t it?
01:53.53
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah. I agree.
01:55.41
Sam Hollis
You just chat and walk and it’s more natural.
01:56.79
Marcus Ahmad
I agree.
01:58.42
Sam Hollis
um Cool. So the next thing is um Getting in adverts. So adverts, you can get in all sorts of physical press. So we all think Google, Google ads.
02:09.09
Sam Hollis
But yeah, you know, your local paper has ads. Those little magazines that everybody gets through the door has ads on. ah Newsletters for schools and stuff will sometimes have ads on.
02:21.51
Sam Hollis
Now, of course, as with anything in marketing, you need to think who is the target audience of that audience.
02:21.79
Marcus Ahmad
Hmm.
02:27.74
Sam Hollis
uh magazine you know if there’s a magazine that goes through every door in a particular area you think well who are the people who read it and probably they i suspect to the older readers the way that half the adverts are for stanis and bath and bath access easy access baths that’s kind of giving you a clue of your target audience But if they are your target audience, that could be perfect for you If you’re talking about family shoots and you thinking, you well, if kind of maybe the grandparent and the family wants to get their family together, a family shoot or whatever, you know, if you’re a commercial photographer, that’s probably not for you.
03:00.28
Marcus Ahmad
Correct.
03:00.54
Sam Hollis
ah But it’s, you know, it’s finding finding that, yeah, there might be, though, a magazine that is for local businesses in your area.
03:01.88
Marcus Ahmad
Well,
03:08.50
Marcus Ahmad
exactly.
03:09.40
Sam Hollis
And then it’s absolutely perfect.
03:09.62
Marcus Ahmad
Exactly. Yes. Yeah, I totally see that. Yeah. I mean, that’s definitely the defining line between B2C and B2B, isn’t it really? It’s defining your market.
03:21.62
Marcus Ahmad
And yeah, there’s lots of specialist magazines that you can get involved in or handouts and stuff like that. Yes.
03:26.58
Sam Hollis
That’s it. And some of the magazines you’re paying for ads, some of them, especially business magazines, you do actually just pay for articles. So was going to say articles. So they’re quite varied. Some places you can provide with articles and they’re just desperate for articles, would like content for their magazines. Others of them, you pay effectively. Quite a lot of magazines work entirely off their free magazines, but the articles in there, the people reading don’t often realise, but actually you have to pay to have an article in there. But again, you know, depends on the audience, depends on the locality.
03:56.02
Sam Hollis
So, you know, even with those little local magazines that are going through doors, they’re very targeted to where they go. So while one of them may be actually useless for your target audience, one of them with a very different demographic ah of people living there might work really well for your audience you know it’s really down to that knowing your audience and in that local area you are this case literally knowing where they live almost and not on a door-to-door basis but in a you know in an area basis um
04:19.83
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
04:24.60
Sam Hollis
And then the reason I thought of this show actually, because I was at a Networking Adventures the other day and somebody mentioned this to me, which I’ve forgotten about and I hadn’t thought about for a while, which is of course the direct mail. um And we think about junk mail arriving through the door and loads of leaflets. But actually what people do find effective is a more targeted direct mail. So yeah, this guy was talking to says he has red envelopes and a blue blue paper and he just has an introductory letter on it.
04:51.86
Sam Hollis
and people kind of remember it because of the colour. And this guy does printer cartridges and he says he gets quite a lot of replies from it, just not necessarily straight away because, you know, printing you need after a while, but he said people pop it on his desk and that colour makes it stand out and people remember it because how often do you actually get posts nowadays?
05:08.38
Marcus Ahmad
Indeed, indeed. It’ll really stand out. I mean, back in the day, Sam, that was a classic way of advertising your photography in the commercial sector.
05:15.06
Sam Hollis
Yeah.
05:15.97
Marcus Ahmad
You put together a little book or a little portfolio or little business, you know, a card, something or even, you know, with some packaging, with some presents in it or something, maybe a gift. And you’d be sending that out.
05:25.11
Sam Hollis
Yeah, this guy puts a little piece of chocolate in.
05:27.54
Marcus Ahmad
There you go. That’s oh chuck yeah, that’s yeah perfect. And people you will really remember that, especially in this day and age where everything is online.
05:35.74
Sam Hollis
Yeah.
05:37.26
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah, that’s a yeah.
05:37.87
Sam Hollis
That’s it. No, I can really make stand out. And yeah, postage can be expensive, but if you target it, I think i think the returns could be really good. And I think that letter in an envelope is much better because the kind of A5 bit of glossy paper through the door, everybody gets a bit bored with the pile of crud through the door. But if it’s a in an envelope, that’s quite different, isn’t it? You know, addressed.
06:01.05
Marcus Ahmad
Yes. I was just thinking, how do you get these? If you want to do a targeted one to businesses, for example, how do you get these addresses? ah
06:09.66
Sam Hollis
Yeah, so that’s more challenging. This guy says he’s basically scraped business directories and then it’s publicly available information.
06:11.22
Marcus Ahmad
Yes.
06:16.18
Sam Hollis
You can do specific searches through Companies House, so everything on there is public.
06:19.38
Marcus Ahmad
Exactly. i was going to say that. Yeah.
06:21.69
Sam Hollis
You can also pay for data.
06:21.81
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
06:23.58
Sam Hollis
um You know, I use those. I’ve paid for data on a few occasions and it’s usually if you get the right provider, it’s all legal and above board data. um As long as you sometimes you get the right rider, most of them are really good.
06:34.70
Sam Hollis
And the kind of price is roughly 300 quid for a thousand contacts type of thing.
06:39.32
Marcus Ahmad
mean
06:39.96
Sam Hollis
So there’s that bad option too.
06:40.34
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
06:42.90
Marcus Ahmad
ah
06:43.02
Sam Hollis
Although it depends who you’re targeting. For the bigger business, that’s great. The smaller businesses don’t tend to get found in those in those lists as much.
06:50.74
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah, well, we’re talking commercial photography here. So we are looking at, you know.
06:53.18
Sam Hollis
Yeah, so if you’ve got the slightly bigger businesses, they should be there.
06:53.94
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah. Yeah.
06:56.60
Sam Hollis
Yeah, but if you’re maybe, if you’re more brand, down the kind of brand small business, micro business, then those business owners might not be in there so much.
07:05.46
Marcus Ahmad
Agreed. Yeah, agreed.
07:07.70
Sam Hollis
But they could easily be on those business directives websites. And yeah, you can find them there. So yeah, that’s definitely one to think about. I mean, interestingly, I got one when I was back living in the UK a while ago.
07:18.36
Sam Hollis
I had Google Ads posting me adverts to use Google Ads.
07:24.90
Marcus Ahmad
Oh, really? but In the mail, Google was sending…
07:26.28
Sam Hollis
Because they, in the mail, yep, in the mail, adverts for Google Ads, interestingly, yeah.
07:32.63
Marcus Ahmad
um That seems a rather backwards way of going forwards. Interesting
07:37.08
Sam Hollis
Interesting approach. and
07:38.81
Marcus Ahmad
approach. Yeah.
07:40.76
Sam Hollis
So moving on, events then. So there’s loads of different events. I’m going to talk about a few different types of events. I’ve had a photographer a while ago who talked about market makers markets and he he exhibits all sorts of markets and seems to do quite a lot of that. I wasn’t selling photos. That was effectively other people are selling stuff around him. He had like family portraits, just kind of sat there and people at the market came up and chatted to him.
08:04.98
Sam Hollis
But there’s also kind of village events and community events, all sorts of things like that, that can work really well for a photographer. Sometimes, like I said, that market, you could get a stall. Sometimes at some events you could maybe, if it’s a community event, put yourself forward as a photographer.
08:19.22
Sam Hollis
If you’re trying to just get seen in the community, get yourself noticed, you know, get your name and all the photos afterwards, that sort of thing.
08:25.24
Marcus Ahmad
yeah
08:26.54
Sam Hollis
can work really well, all sorts of events going on that just can, yeah, build your presence, build your profile, um help you get known in the local area.
08:36.76
Marcus Ahmad
Well, a classic one on that one, Sam, is doing headshots at a conference or an event, isn’t it?
08:42.56
Sam Hollis
Yeah.
08:42.60
Marcus Ahmad
you know And you might be doing it for free. You might have arranged something. You might be charging people directly. I don’t know. but it’s a great way of getting your profile out there for sure.
08:51.06
Sam Hollis
That’s it. And we’ve got we’ve talked about this on lots of shows. Go and listen to the shows, how Should I Work for Free? Because we’ve talked about this a lot. And I think our basic summary has been, Marcus, on every show, this is yes, in the right circumstances.
08:56.79
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
09:02.65
Sam Hollis
And if you’re getting the right things.
09:04.79
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah. Indeed.
09:05.90
Sam Hollis
Yeah.
09:05.96
Marcus Ahmad
Indeed.
09:06.55
Sam Hollis
So yes, make use of events, markets, all sorts of things. The next one is business expos. There are loads and loads of business expos out there. They’re big events or small events. They’re sort of regional ones, national ones, local ones, all sorts of business people. A great way to get found.
09:22.78
Sam Hollis
ah I think the key to me is go and visit a few and see what happens. So you do get people who are official photographers at them. And so that’s one way to go. Obviously, you probably want to get paid for that gig.
09:34.42
Sam Hollis
But then you could also just have a stand at a show.
09:37.41
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
09:37.62
Sam Hollis
um but I think definitely if you’re going to do things like that, go first, see the quality of the stands, because what you don’t want to do is turn up and there’s just you and a table and you look. a bit cheap because everyone else has got a fancy stand.
09:47.99
Sam Hollis
But again, you don’t want to spend 2000 quid and find that most people have just got a pop up banner.
09:48.31
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
09:51.87
Sam Hollis
It’s trying to balance that, isn’t it? Yes.
09:54.68
Marcus Ahmad
Yes, yes, in in indeed. And of course, the at the right events, I mean, there’s lots of photography events that people, photographers love going to, but really you’re not going to find any work at photography, well, unlikely to find
09:59.90
Sam Hollis
yes
10:05.24
Sam Hollis
That’s right, unless you’re teaching photographers.
10:07.00
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
10:07.59
Sam Hollis
No, that’s more networking.
10:07.79
Marcus Ahmad
Well, unless we’re teaching. and i
10:09.51
Sam Hollis
They’re not, yeah, but they’re not necessarily not useful, are they? But they’re useful in a different way. They’re not for building your network of photographers, possible people to work with.
10:15.17
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
10:16.71
Sam Hollis
Great, but yeah, not in the same way as getting customers. But you’re right, those general business expos ah can be really great. um I think a few, yeah, a few things think about is definitely you need some giveaways.
10:28.33
Sam Hollis
are you people when you come to your stand you’ve got to have something to handle them don’t you really um and to remember i think that the pop your business card in a you know in the bars to win a bottle of champagne is really great instant way to build your mailing list um and get a bit of publicity i know i did that in event and then at the end of the day the town crier came and did the thing for me and then you can put on linkedin giving it to them and stuff so that kind of
10:32.20
Marcus Ahmad
Hmm. Hmm.
10:51.96
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
10:54.03
Sam Hollis
going work really well. And you make very clear on the jar that, you know, it puts you on my mailing list and you’re in. And then so literally after the event, you can go through every single card, put them into your CRM. And then I think we talked with networking events about following up being important. If you’ve spent all that money on an expo and the whole day there, that follow-up is, you know, absolutely with the people you’ve talked to and with all the people put their cards in, that follow-up you’ve got to have planned and you’ve got to have made lots of time for it.
11:21.82
Marcus Ahmad
I mean, these are going to suit a certain type of individual, more probably more of an extrovert than an introvert. um
11:31.10
Sam Hollis
Yes.
11:31.64
Marcus Ahmad
You know, like where you and I are probably more on the extrovert side slightly. So we would find these things quite easy and pleasurable. What about if you’re an introvert, Sam? What you do?
11:42.52
Sam Hollis
So there’s a couple of options. I mean, one is, yeah, if you’re going to find it horrific and you’re going to hate it then I think don’t don’t do that sort of event. The other thing is work with people. So what I did at one of the expos, because one of the things I found is if you have a stand,
11:55.32
Sam Hollis
ah You don’t get to go around and see all the other stands because actually the expos are as much meeting the other people there and seeing their stands as people coming to you. So what I did is I went to somebody. i There was a VA a I knew who kind of, I wasn’t bothered about them VA, I just knew they were kind of chatty, bubbly, got on really well with people.
12:13.87
Sam Hollis
So she did my stand with me. I paid to to work for a day, you know, whatever she’d pay for VA rate and
12:16.30
Marcus Ahmad
Oh, yeah.
12:20.28
Sam Hollis
You know, we ran through few things first because, you know, she didn’t need to know everything about websites just to chat to people and a engage them and stuff. And it meant I could go and look around the stands. She could go and look around the stands. There’s always somebody on the stand. And so if you went with somebody, you know, and that doesn’t cost a huge amount, you could take if you are kind of wanting to, it but a little bit hesitant, you could take somebody with you like that to make that a little bit easier.
12:42.97
Sam Hollis
Again, or could be a partner or a friend or adult child or whatever.
12:43.05
Marcus Ahmad
That’s a good idea. Yeah.
12:47.77
Sam Hollis
you know ah Nowadays, I’d probably take a daughter. If they were around and not at university or whatever, they’d love it. And you know they’d be helpful and really good at chatting to people.
12:53.46
Marcus Ahmad
any
12:56.57
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah, it’s good way around it.
12:57.85
Sam Hollis
of
12:58.09
Marcus Ahmad
Nice. Okay.
12:58.68
Sam Hollis
But yeah, that could be a good way around it.
12:58.89
Marcus Ahmad
move
13:00.52
Sam Hollis
um Strategic partnerships can be amazing. So, you know, who else, and you know, who else is serving your client, local audience?
13:09.45
Marcus Ahmad
Well, yes.
13:09.45
Sam Hollis
You know, if you’re a brand photographer, you know, probably the local accountant is a great, you know, if you can work with them and and pass referrals because everybody, you know, probably needs their photos, I need an accountant.
13:21.94
Sam Hollis
There’s loads of web designers, you if there’s loads of services like that. where you could have strategic referrals, obviously for a wedding photographer, that’s really easy with all the associated services or a pet photographer.
13:32.94
Sam Hollis
There’s some genres where that like is absolutely superb and and it is just logical and you’d be crazy not to do it.
13:36.15
Marcus Ahmad
Yes.
13:39.38
Sam Hollis
Others would like with the business thing, it’s a little bit harder, but you know it it’s something to look at.
13:43.13
Marcus Ahmad
um It can be done. Yeah, it can be done. with a Like a local, to me, um work shared office space. ah
13:52.34
Sam Hollis
Yeah, exactly.
13:53.02
Marcus Ahmad
I did a headshot day for them, you know, and it was yeah something that they paid for and it was a thing for their for for their people working in the offices. So, yeah, you can do it through that way.
14:04.60
Sam Hollis
Yeah, and you could do things like, you know, have a agreement with them where anybody new comes in to use the shared office, they get offered some sort of exclusive deal from you as a photographer. There’s all sorts of ways you can kind of work together.
14:13.62
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah
14:16.25
Sam Hollis
Yeah, and you say to them, well, I’ll try and, you know, businesses that come to me, I’ll try and refer them to you and and kind of use your services. So those strategic partnerships can be amazing. And it’s that’s where things like networking comes in isn’t because you…
14:28.89
Sam Hollis
You wouldn’t do that having think, oh, right, I’m going to aim for that that office space. I’ll go there because they might be a pain in the ass to work with or they might be amazing. That’s where you want to build that relationship and get to know them, make sure that that could work before then kind of going down that route.
14:42.16
Marcus Ahmad
Indeed. Indeed. indeed
14:43.74
Sam Hollis
Definitely need to kind of work that out. locations for photos is another. So a kind of classic for artists or people selling photos is, you know, the photos in the cafe. But as a commercial photographer, a hedgehog photographer, you know, is there somewhere like that you can get your photos and they don’t necessarily have to be for sale, but it’s almost just,
15:02.33
Sam Hollis
showing your work and it could be in a local cafe, it could be in the local doctor’s surgery, you could price the photos even if you don’t want to sell them just to give a kind of that hint of value and quality.
15:15.13
Sam Hollis
And if you do sell the Edwin grape, but you know. um But yeah, there’s so many places. Now some places like the cafes might want money for it, but you know, there’s things like local libraries which often just take on, you know, happily take work that people want to put up.
15:29.54
Sam Hollis
There’s all sorts of options there.
15:31.19
Marcus Ahmad
Well, Rhonda’s just coming to me, and I’ve always meant to do this, but I’ve got to admit I’ve not never done it. But there’s something you can do if you work for a client, is ba but a get them to maybe, or give them a gift as one of the photos, like that they can put in their lobby and have your name on it.
15:36.62
Sam Hollis
Yeah. Yeah.
15:45.94
Sam Hollis
Yeah. yeah
15:48.86
Marcus Ahmad
You know, yeah that’s how is a great way of advertising yourself, especially when got a lot footfall.
15:49.43
Sam Hollis
yeah
15:54.55
Sam Hollis
That’s it. Yeah, if you can find like a new cafe, open up in kind of a business area, go, you know, would you like some free artwork for your wall? You know, I’m not trying to sell it.
16:03.26
Marcus Ahmad
ah Yeah. have no
16:03.63
Sam Hollis
You know, whatever it is, as long as I can have a couple of names, there all sorts of options there. And as a photographer, you know, that’s unique to you. ah You know, I can’t go and put a website on a cafe wall.
16:14.65
Marcus Ahmad
No, that’s right. And this is what this is all about. It’s getting off the offline and getting it person to person.
16:21.66
Sam Hollis
That’s it.
16:21.79
Marcus Ahmad
Cool.
16:22.10
Sam Hollis
Yeah. um Cool. We’re getting, I’m getting down the list. I think we’ve already talked about community events actually earlier on. So yeah, volunteering, deciding if you want to volunteer at a community event, a local, yeah, low ba a local a local 5k run, whatever it is.
16:36.01
Sam Hollis
And then again, like we said, it’s partly… Do you just want to support them? Great. Or partly, who are the people out and are they the right people you want to be seen with? So, you know, if everybody’s doing the local park run in your business community, then volunteering as a photographer for the local park run could be a great way to go.
16:51.86
Marcus Ahmad
Yes. I’ve got a couple that might add, Sam, if we’ve got time.
16:55.38
Sam Hollis
Yeah, go on.
16:56.70
Marcus Ahmad
I’ve got written down sponsorship, you know, sponsoring an event.
17:00.73
Sam Hollis
Yeah, yeah, so that can work. So you get your ne you get your name on the banners and in the leaflets and that sort of thing. And yeah, like we said, like with all of them, just make sure the audience is right.
17:07.45
Marcus Ahmad
Yes.
17:11.22
Marcus Ahmad
Well, if you yeah, I mean, ah a great one would be a golfing day, isn’t it? You can guarantee golfing is good. that A golfing day be full of businesses, wouldn’t it? Yeah.
17:18.28
Sam Hollis
Yeah, yes and no, the demographic, that’s less so nowadays, I’d say. I’d say now the demographic for that is getting older. I’d say a cycling event, definitely.
17:27.29
Marcus Ahmad
Oh, okay. Like that.
17:28.50
Sam Hollis
ah You know, the kind of, yeah, I’d say kind of, you know, the people in business more, the kind of the cycling, the running and stuff is now the golf.
17:28.79
Marcus Ahmad
I like that.
17:37.40
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah, running.
17:37.77
Sam Hollis
When you go to the golf clubs, they’re much, much, much older demographic. They’re the people who were in business 20 years ago more.
17:45.33
Marcus Ahmad
Well, i yeah, I’m not sure about that. But yeah, okay. And the other one I’ve got down here is by doing a workshop somewhere. I mean, I did one that was
17:52.54
Sam Hollis
which is, if that’s a good market because that’s the last one on my list too, which I’ve got to.
17:55.45
Marcus Ahmad
Oh, okay.
17:56.34
Sam Hollis
There we go.
17:56.82
Marcus Ahmad
they they you I actually did it for, and it was paid for by a marketing company for lawyers.
17:56.82
Sam Hollis
Great minds. You carry on. Great minds think alike.
18:04.53
Marcus Ahmad
I did in London. And I did, they had about 10 law companies there around the table. And I did a branding workshop um using your phone, how to brand your business using your phone. Yeah.
18:14.82
Marcus Ahmad
And of course were going, oh, that’s great. And they all came to be asking, so can you come and do our branding for us? It’s like, yeah.
18:19.26
Sam Hollis
Yeah, which is why those things are so good, which, yeah, we we talk lots, don’t we, about give that sort of thing away for you because you can explain how to do all you want, but at the end of the day, they’ll then come to you and say, Ashley, can you do for
18:19.83
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah.
18:32.34
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah, that’s what they do. Come and say, can you do it?
18:34.68
Sam Hollis
me? Yeah.
18:35.29
Marcus Ahmad
Yeah. Cool.
18:37.36
Sam Hollis
Excellent. So that was my idea. So, yes, I say we could do some other shows going into more details or some of those, give us some feedback. We’d love to hear from you.
18:44.25
Marcus Ahmad
Yes, we would.
18:44.28
Sam Hollis
um But otherwise, um nice to talk to you, Marcus, and I’ll see you next week.
18:49.40
Marcus Ahmad
See you next week, Sam. Thank you very much.
